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		<title>By: Crystal Castles - Vanished (The Beta Movement) at Shots Ring Out</title>
		<link>http://www.shotsringout.com/2008/05/justice-stress-romain-gavras/#comment-212434</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal Castles - Vanished (The Beta Movement) at Shots Ring Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stanley Kubrick&#8217;s A Clockwork Orange. Not unlike that other electro-duo with the Kubrickian video. The other half of the video looks like a bar where that robot, from the Svedka Vodka ads, would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Stanley Kubrick&#8217;s A Clockwork Orange. Not unlike that other electro-duo with the Kubrickian video. The other half of the video looks like a bar where that robot, from the Svedka Vodka ads, would [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: GB</title>
		<link>http://www.shotsringout.com/2008/05/justice-stress-romain-gavras/#comment-212432</link>
		<dc:creator>GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a scandal such offensive racist and violent video is shown online, let's hope the JUSTICE STRESS video gets taken off and originators punished and prosecuted for suggesting mass crime</description>
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		<title>By: Video Round Up at Shots Ring Out</title>
		<link>http://www.shotsringout.com/2008/05/justice-stress-romain-gavras/#comment-212409</link>
		<dc:creator>Video Round Up at Shots Ring Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from two different riots in France at two different times. What&#8217;s a country to do? First Justice, now [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] from two different riots in France at two different times. What&#8217;s a country to do? First Justice, now [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Pedrto Barros</title>
		<link>http://www.shotsringout.com/2008/05/justice-stress-romain-gavras/#comment-206828</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedrto Barros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to note that a comment should be more than a simple statement of your "side", but backed off with some substantial perspective about the argument discussed.

I do believe that one important point about videos like this revolves around your original thoughts about the issues portrayed in said videos. If you simply don't have any sort of consideration regarding these social situations it's clear that videos like this will promptly make you snap a judgement in a heartbeat. 
If you have some extreme right winged ideas rooting the way you think surely this video shall give you some redundant "evidence" that you should start bashing minority’s heads around. 
But if in fact you have more pacifistic ideas as a background, surely, one could look at this video as portrayal of "reality" more like a statement that this shit does happen, it can give you that jolt that could propel someone to act, trying to understand the roots of such behaviour as too elaborate ways of resolving this kind of violence.
As from my perspective, this violence is far from senseless. As humans we all respond based on several aspects, being them cultural, social, economic, religious or of any other nature. The fact is that we react based in what our reality is. This has roots in several facts that should be understood if we do hope to see this kind of violence come to an end.

Picture this, based on some sort of comfortable way of life that some of us have, the most some of us will do is type some words on a blog, without actually trying to react effectively in a proactive manner to resolve said issues... Maybe that alone is some sort of baby step towards that attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to note that a comment should be more than a simple statement of your &#8220;side&#8221;, but backed off with some substantial perspective about the argument discussed.</p>
<p>I do believe that one important point about videos like this revolves around your original thoughts about the issues portrayed in said videos. If you simply don&#8217;t have any sort of consideration regarding these social situations it&#8217;s clear that videos like this will promptly make you snap a judgement in a heartbeat.<br />
If you have some extreme right winged ideas rooting the way you think surely this video shall give you some redundant &#8220;evidence&#8221; that you should start bashing minority’s heads around.<br />
But if in fact you have more pacifistic ideas as a background, surely, one could look at this video as portrayal of &#8220;reality&#8221; more like a statement that this shit does happen, it can give you that jolt that could propel someone to act, trying to understand the roots of such behaviour as too elaborate ways of resolving this kind of violence.<br />
As from my perspective, this violence is far from senseless. As humans we all respond based on several aspects, being them cultural, social, economic, religious or of any other nature. The fact is that we react based in what our reality is. This has roots in several facts that should be understood if we do hope to see this kind of violence come to an end.</p>
<p>Picture this, based on some sort of comfortable way of life that some of us have, the most some of us will do is type some words on a blog, without actually trying to react effectively in a proactive manner to resolve said issues&#8230; Maybe that alone is some sort of baby step towards that attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: antifa</title>
		<link>http://www.shotsringout.com/2008/05/justice-stress-romain-gavras/#comment-160392</link>
		<dc:creator>antifa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read some of these comments it sounds like some never even seen the video. It's not true that the victims are all white. You'd know that if you'd watch the video prick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read some of these comments it sounds like some never even seen the video. It&#8217;s not true that the victims are all white. You&#8217;d know that if you&#8217;d watch the video prick.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Ché guevara</title>
		<link>http://www.shotsringout.com/2008/05/justice-stress-romain-gavras/#comment-160391</link>
		<dc:creator>Adolf Ché guevara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man this video does not incourage violence! Think further you fool(s). By the way I think Its really well done very well directed. I like the song to. Cut the crap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man this video does not incourage violence! Think further you fool(s). By the way I think Its really well done very well directed. I like the song to. Cut the crap!</p>
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		<title>By: desiree</title>
		<link>http://www.shotsringout.com/2008/05/justice-stress-romain-gavras/#comment-154305</link>
		<dc:creator>desiree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love the video, it fits perfectly with the song !
where can i buy one of those jackets ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love the video, it fits perfectly with the song !<br />
where can i buy one of those jackets ?</p>
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		<title>By: 13strong</title>
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		<dc:creator>13strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The gang aren't all non-whites. The group of young guys seems to be pretty ethnically diverse.

2) There's no reason why a music video shouldn't explore, artistically, an issue or setting or characters like this. But you have to understand that it can't do it the same way, or perhaps in the same depth, as, say, a film like La Haine.

3) The gang aren't supposed to represent people on the estate - that's made clear by the resident in the high-rise giving the gang the finger and shouting abuse at them. It's not homogenising the residents of the bainlieues (spelling? Sorry!), because it's showing these guys threatening and terrorising the residents of the estates as well as the central Parisians and tourists.

4) I think it's worth noting, particularly given Romain-Gavras' rich-kid, hipster background, that if you watch all the way to the end of the video, the guys making the film are set on fire and beaten senseless by the young guys they're filming. There are obviously different ways of reading this, but I think it's perfectly valid to see that as a pretty self-aware statement by Romain-Gavras et al. The video punishes the guys making the film, possibly suggesting that they're naive, and/or deserving of punishment for their voyeurism and fetishism of this violence, and the deprived social conditions that creates it.

I realise that's kind of circular idea, but it's an interesting, and valid, one.

5) the Justice bomber jackets are interesting, and kind of difficult to read... Are they playing on the idea of "Justice"? making a statement on the religious references that their music makes? Continuing the idea of ignorant and naive exploitation and fetishism of minority cultures by upper-class/white musicians? Or are they just trying to associate themselves with urban grittiness and "realness"?

The fact that the film has got me thinking and reasoning like this is pretty impressive on it's own. Plus, it hits you between the eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The gang aren&#8217;t all non-whites. The group of young guys seems to be pretty ethnically diverse.</p>
<p>2) There&#8217;s no reason why a music video shouldn&#8217;t explore, artistically, an issue or setting or characters like this. But you have to understand that it can&#8217;t do it the same way, or perhaps in the same depth, as, say, a film like La Haine.</p>
<p>3) The gang aren&#8217;t supposed to represent people on the estate - that&#8217;s made clear by the resident in the high-rise giving the gang the finger and shouting abuse at them. It&#8217;s not homogenising the residents of the bainlieues (spelling? Sorry!), because it&#8217;s showing these guys threatening and terrorising the residents of the estates as well as the central Parisians and tourists.</p>
<p>4) I think it&#8217;s worth noting, particularly given Romain-Gavras&#8217; rich-kid, hipster background, that if you watch all the way to the end of the video, the guys making the film are set on fire and beaten senseless by the young guys they&#8217;re filming. There are obviously different ways of reading this, but I think it&#8217;s perfectly valid to see that as a pretty self-aware statement by Romain-Gavras et al. The video punishes the guys making the film, possibly suggesting that they&#8217;re naive, and/or deserving of punishment for their voyeurism and fetishism of this violence, and the deprived social conditions that creates it.</p>
<p>I realise that&#8217;s kind of circular idea, but it&#8217;s an interesting, and valid, one.</p>
<p>5) the Justice bomber jackets are interesting, and kind of difficult to read&#8230; Are they playing on the idea of &#8220;Justice&#8221;? making a statement on the religious references that their music makes? Continuing the idea of ignorant and naive exploitation and fetishism of minority cultures by upper-class/white musicians? Or are they just trying to associate themselves with urban grittiness and &#8220;realness&#8221;?</p>
<p>The fact that the film has got me thinking and reasoning like this is pretty impressive on it&#8217;s own. Plus, it hits you between the eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Dunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's important to point out that the video, whether you personally like it or not, is very effective.  I agree that it is truly an aesthetic achievement.  That said, it seems to be provocative for the sake of being provocative.  It isn't necessarily being honest or thorough about issues of gang violence and racism in the Paris suburbs, which are issues that deserve more attention and a greater depth of knowledge than a music video could possibly provide.  Lots of musicians use controversial videos to get attention, and now with forums like YouTube, they don't have to worry about the MTV censors.  I don't agree with Justice's decision to exploit a controversial issue to get attention, but I can understand why they did it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s important to point out that the video, whether you personally like it or not, is very effective.  I agree that it is truly an aesthetic achievement.  That said, it seems to be provocative for the sake of being provocative.  It isn&#8217;t necessarily being honest or thorough about issues of gang violence and racism in the Paris suburbs, which are issues that deserve more attention and a greater depth of knowledge than a music video could possibly provide.  Lots of musicians use controversial videos to get attention, and now with forums like YouTube, they don&#8217;t have to worry about the MTV censors.  I don&#8217;t agree with Justice&#8217;s decision to exploit a controversial issue to get attention, but I can understand why they did it.</p>
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		<title>By: yann</title>
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		<dc:creator>yann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or like the ads Benetton used to make.
It creates a debate about itself using something social and repulsive but keeps itself outside the debate (about the reality and the facts). It's not constructive.
And I think that idiots like those portrayed in this video won't see it as a mirror's reflexion of their stupid acts but will only find it amusing and cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or like the ads Benetton used to make.<br />
It creates a debate about itself using something social and repulsive but keeps itself outside the debate (about the reality and the facts). It&#8217;s not constructive.<br />
And I think that idiots like those portrayed in this video won&#8217;t see it as a mirror&#8217;s reflexion of their stupid acts but will only find it amusing and cool.</p>
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